Feel the need for speed? The Pistol will deliver! Capable of insane speeds with the right set up, the nicely finished little pylon racer is such an adrenaline rush!
This easy build kit features a full epoxy composite fuselage, wing and horizontal stablizer all finished in a high gloss, attractive paint scheme. A full hardware kit and alloy spinner are also included and once built up, this is a really nice looking model that is easy to see in the air. The model provides plenty of cooling air for the motor, ESC and Lipo with large cheek inlet's and of course a good size outlet.
All there is left to do of course is choose your power train and how nut's do you want the Pistol to be!? With a 3300kv Brushless inrunner fitted, the Pistol is breathakingly fast, even throttle off, this great looking little plane carries amazing speed and as it is a high quality epoxy construction, this quick little fella should look good for years to come, the Pistol is a must for speed freaks!
Features: All Epoxy Composite Construction (Not usual, cheaper Glass Fibre) Excellent high gloss paint finish Full hardware kit & 30mm Alloy Spinner included Large Cooling Vents Easy Build Live Hinge Control Surfaces
update on my pistol I got side tracked and didn't buy the parts for my 5s set up Been spending on other bigger RC projects SO i set it up with a 4s set up with parts I had lying around. I Turned the aileron controls inside out ( push rods are on top of the wing ) because there wasn't room left for them to fit inside and made cowling for that. NOW there is plenty of room for 5s. But the spares i have can only take 70 amps. maybe in the future ill go with heavy duty stuff and o 5s BUT as it is it GPS measured 180 mph. I'm not anxious to go faster because every buddy at the field is cra pping there pants and hiding behind there car hen I fly it ITS FREEKY FAST I'm hoping to get q video soon but so far no on an track it with a cam. Ill set something up soon.
All you guys B*TChING about this and all you had to do was spent $7 more and got the electrifly Rifle. HK copied this and im surprised they havent been sued YET. The rifle is much better quality and its available in the US. Do your research first so see the original models before you buy knock offs
Very poor quality, ailerons I have cut out and rebuilt! Motor mounting totally glued wrong! My plane weighs already delivered without batteries, motor, ESC, receiver and Servos 280 g! 94 U.S. $ for this I expected a lot more. A shame for HOBY KING.
i flown my pistol yesterday with the folowing setup 3000kv highmax inrunner hk mg9 servoes and 1300 nanotec 50c bats manedged to get the cg at the same place as the hk vid 11-16"
and it had plenty of power in fact it turned out to mutch after a perfect launch got to a good hight to start to trim
blinked and lost the plane thers was a fue of us there but no one new wot happend it just vanished there was no clowd so just went out of site very fast.but did fly nice dont take eyes of plane my only addvice
Funny thing is my pistol did exactly the same thing, after doing all the usual checks we hand launched the plane got to a reasonable height to trim it only on half throttle as it was so fast i began to trim it when suddenly it just vanished like into the bermuda triangle, ive been flying for 26 years and this has never happened to me before so watch out for this one, gutted it was a nice plane
A 28mm outrunner will just fit but I did use an 1/8 inch spacer between the motor and mounting surface to get a little more clearance for the wires. You will want to turn the motor so the wires are towards the top side of fuselage as it has more of a slope to it. Also tape the wires to the inside of the fuselage to make sure they wouldn't rub on the motor.
Harald You can use a outrunner too. A Typhoon 450 class heli fits nicely inside it. The Pistol is an exact copy from Great Planes Revolver. I have in fly condition two Revolver with outrunner Typhoon 450, HXT 900 (2), 50A ESC, 2000mA 3 cell lipo and 4,75 x 4,75 APC. Amazing speed. Don't never blink!.Isaac
I have some big plans to get this plane moving at near 230mph but I need to know dimensions to get the right gear to fit. Can anyone tell me the diameter of the fuse at its thickest spot?. and the length from the leading edge of the wing to the motor mount plate? Ill credit anyone who gives me the true answer. Thank you :)
True answer is it wont fit :D
You simply cannot get enough watts in to generate the rpm required to hit 230mph. 160-180mph is doable, 4S 2000 is about the limit of what could be fitted battery wise and to get that will require rejigging the aileron servo, probably moving them out into the wings. You dont want cheap torque rods at silly speeds. As to the model handling 160mph .... Good luck.
If it can handle up to a 1800 3s than a 900 6s (2x 900 3s in series) should fit and give lots of RPM! It recommends a 30A ESC, if you get a 40A and prop it accordingly it will have over twice stock power and plenty of voltage to get a high rpm
Still, nowhere near enough power Id guesstimate youd be looking at 2kW using a custom made prop, with an efficient motor, to get 230mph. I dont think 900mah pack is going to hold much voltage at 100A. The cheap airframe will explode, which is a minor problem to overcome too!
Speaking from experience with doing silly stuff with small pylon racers *)
The most "insane" setup is to mod the wing with a carbon spar, add a Mega 16/15/2, 3S 1800 45C , 60A esc, APC 4.1x4.1 prop on an MPjet spinner. This will get you 160mph (which is damn fast for a 30 odd inch model)
OK guys I'm not gonna get into a debate about my 32 years of experience flying and building high speed aircraft. So i only want it to go 25 miles per hour k ????? So can someone please tell me the dimensions i asked for if i respectfully may ask please? :)
OK no insult intended but you newbees to the hobby are wayyyy to dependent on arf models back when it all began it was kits only that way you learn how to build and or modify. Ill explain it for you k . With this model you split the fuse from about a half inch infront of the wing and add a sheet of composite material to fill in the gap You change the mount disk to one that can take a 39 inch inrunner ( one that can take 160 amps) Now IF it doesn't balance then you fabricate a extension to make the heavy motor go further forward you use TWO 3s 4500 map 65c bats in series to make them fit. The turnagy k force 150 amp esc is to be mounted on the outside top of the plane for cooling. that is not difficult at all. and this model being full composite material will be more then tough enough to do 225 mph Maybe in the future HK can design and sell one that is already made for that kinda power set up.
Gp Siren is not a Hotliner it's wing is to draggy. But it is a great electro glider, the wing does flex a fair bit and I did see cracks at the epoxied wingtip joins after a few dozen flights but easy fixed.
Gromuluss, I like your passion for speed. Most here have not seen one of these yet so no dimensions available I expect. Do you mass balance the control surfaces for flutter, at your desired speeds I hope so?
I do that or i stiffen the hinges more to reduce flutter risk when i get things pumping that fast. I still haven't got the dimensions yet but looking at the GP rifle. If it truly it the same size then the entire fuse will have to be split open and added to to make it all fit. But hey back in my hot rod days Stuffing a 454 v8 into a Austin mini was also done now and then haha I think 3000 mah bats are more practical with a 120 c capable discharge It can and it will be done :) I have a dave nue motor of 2200 kv that cost me 300 bucks sitting there going to waist So a experiment with this plane will be fun for sure. Thanks for your positive support in the magiver world of frankensteining rc planes :)
2 pictures for ya gromuluss.
By all means you can farbicate a new fuselage, to fit 6S 4500, and then fabricate a new wing to support the brick like wingloading (remember its only a 31" span). So with a different wing, and different fuselage.. Sure maybe you could hit 200 mph. But Why?? Might as well start with something suitable in the first place.
The stock airframe is CHEAP, it is built CHEAP. The rifle is only rated to 300W stock, the V1 wing snaps in two above this (sometimes below it). V2 wing seems better but is still not even close to being strong enough to handle the loads of 200mph. Remember, this is NOT a high end moulded pylon racer. It IS cheap fun.
Before you start throwing around accusations of being an ARF newbie jump on rcgroups or youtube and do a search for me..
haha You know its getting very clear to me now that you think I haven't done this before. Ya i could buy it ready made even if I wanted to but guys there is allot more avenues to the FUN of this hobby then just flying. Some people build flying super man profiles but WY when you could by a arf of a p40 war hawk instead. Look at it this way Some [people like fat chicks some people don't But who are we or you to judge what a individual enjoys to do with a plane or a fat chick Its simple if you don't like it then don't get involved No o fence my dears but I like what I do Its enjoyable and almost EVERY BUDDY at my club enjoys the odd and unusual I bring to the hobby OK????? sorry if this offends any buddy If you find yourself getting irritated by this then I might suggest some Ex-lax.
I'm also finding it a bit comical how you guys ( some of you) are so deeply passionate about being so ANTI over this subject. I didn't ask if i could buy your first born child for 50 bucks I simply started this to ask for dimensions of this plane MY GOSH people stop and look at what your getting so uptight about. this is a hobby and well if every one had such closed and Nero minds about experimentation then well There wouldn't be much hope for curing cancer would there Wed all be banging rocks together and never made it to the moon After all 200 years ago we all NEW that the world was flat and dare not ever suggest anything different. so PLEASE when I share my fun with this who appreciate it. Then those who DON'T please just turn the page and ignore it k PLEASE
Thank you tons guys You rock and WOW this thing is tiny. I'm still gonna make it happen There are 3300 mah 5 sell bats that deliver over 200 amps of constant power ( 65c ) and I have a nue motor that can take 160 amps Its 2200 kv and A 120 amp esc that can go 150 bursts. Im gonna have to modify it to make room for sure but it will be done I will be using a custom 6x8 prop And the " pitch speed" is over 240 mph Taking drag into account it still should go well over 200 I assure you I will throttle up slowly to find out its exploding speed LOL Seeing as larger slope gliders go 400 mph and they have allot more wing area and control surfaces to " explode" but they don't Then I don't think this will either. Thanks for the positive attitudes MUCH better and thank you lots. In the futer ill post a you tu be on it if its posable to keep it in frame
Thank you sir :) project has just started But its the GP rifle Same this generic version here But its in stock always here and same price with shipping I have limited internet use So ill post results and video when i can.
hey guys just a heads up ive been over seas dealing with some family busness so the project was on hold Im back in 10 days and ill get on it right away Im sure there are some of ypou intrested in seeing the end result and speed videos Let yas all know WHEN my goal is acheaved
I've had three Sirens, the wings have never failed or even flexed a lot in power dives. Not straight down of course. Some guys can break anything. Some guys don't know how to build either. The two go hand in hand. The Rifle is MUCH more than a handful at speed. Fly in a 10 mph breeze or MORE, or it will go by you at 40 miles an hour. The plane disappears in anything but a clear sunshine day, and on final will also disappear when you turn to the upwind leg. Shut off power on the downwind leg, and go at least 100 meters away before you turn to final... good luck.
Revoltz ... you would need a 28mm 2700kv~3300kv Inrunner with a 3.175mm Shaft for this model given the narrow fuse. A lower kv motor would work of course but will not get you higher speeds. Those cooling vents should give you an idea of how "hot" the components can get inside.
Hey gromuluss, I'd have more respect for your opinions if you didn't try to pretend that because a 3m, 45-50lb, purpose built, carbon fiber DS glider will go 450mph, that in any way suggests ANYTHING AT ALL about the capabilities of this airplane. Get real, it's kind of like saying that since an F1 race car will brake at 5G's, your civic will be able to manage 2Gs. Oh, by all means, pump this one up to your heart's content, and more power to you! Be aware that you will pay a significant drag penalty for mounting the esc outboard. If you're going to split the fuse anyway, mount the esc inboard with a well faired bulge if necessary.
sorenlaf, why don't you f*** off and leave him alone? one, this is the wrong discussion for what you are ranting about, and two, all he did is ask for dimensions. something tells me you don't know what ds is? you went from talking about 3 meter ds gliders to escs. here's a tip: DS DOESN'T INVOLVE ESCS!!!!!!!
Gee b-bub, sorry to have contaminated your wheaties. If you read at grom's earlier posts, you will notice that he is planning to mount the esc in a PISTOL (not a DS ship) outside the fuse, AND he's planning to try for 200 mph. At those speeds, aerodynamic drag is significant for small protrusions, and I'm simply making a POSITIVE suggestion and recommending he look for alternatives. I said nothing about mounting an esc on a DS ship. Look, I realize grom received a lot of flack, but not from me. I did say that he was making an unfounded assumption, which is correct, but I was otherwise supportive of his efforts. Now why don't you go back, read all the comments, assuming you can actually read, and see if perhaps your reply to me is completely off base.
ok, sorry. i guess i got tired of reading you guys berating him about this stuff. (ie: "gromluss, i suggest you stick to golf") i was confused because i had asked if anyone else was thinking of DS-ing this, and you started talking about DS. but you still posted this reply to the wrong discussion. the one you want is above. all he said here was about putting fpv on a rocket (we were originally talking (semi-jokingly) about putting fpv on this.) i guess that i was a bit tired and not really thinking straight. (maybe 2:00 am is a bit late to be up reading people's posts) sorry if i offended you (which i probably did).
I like your thinking But I'm guessing that with no motor and lipo the balance would be so far out you'd need to add allot of dead weight to get the cg right And then it just wouldn't make a good glider Pylon racers are typically a bit heavy because of the power train needed to get them moving fast Unless of course you added several inches to the nose to mount receiver bats and stuff To balance with no added weight
It's a fair enough question beezlebub - nobody should be offended by it. gromuluss is right that the wingloading would be on the high side, but that also applies to a Jart, and many other slope racers. My Rifle glides very well (a bit too well!) so I think it would work. That said, HK has better options for slope racers.
thanks straight up, i was mostly looking for something to fly in the 40kt winds we often have out here in the marin headlands, so a heavy model is not really such a problem. and i have seen a lot of good slope racers here, but i have yet to find one that is full composite for under $100, and this is small so it should have cheap shipping too =)
Greatplanes Rifle for sure. I don't think this is a replica or a copy - just a separate marketing campaign. I have a V1 Rifle and LOVE it. Set-up:
Motor: Align 3650Kv T-Rex 450 heli motor
Battery: 3S 2200mAh 20C
ESC: Turnigy Plush 40A
Prop: TGS Sport 4.1x4.1, turning at ~32,000rpm
Power: 400W (just under 40A current)
Speed: 210 - 215km/h, by Doppler
This plane takes skill and concentration to fly, but it just loves to go fast and gets "on step" quickly. I let-in 2 carbon fiber rods spanwise into the bottom of the wing on the advice of KRProton who worked on the Rifle development team at Horizon Hobby. Wing handles bank'n'crank turns without a worry.
Cool I have the espeed with a 3600kv e flight motor and i use 4s 2200 nanotec lipo and a 77 amp esc Its a ROCKET but this one looks abit more streamline Do you think a 4s and all that gear would fit in this plane? and balance? Cuz my espeed is abit beat up now????
Hobbico huh, sfactor1? Fair enough. Retail company is Greatplanes, of course.
Gromuluss: 4S will fit if you go down to ~1500mAh or less. BUT, you don't need 4S for speed unless you want to go VERY quick (or run a lower Kv for better efficiency). I'd suggest you see how you go on 3S first. This plane is VERY quick and is also quite small, so you might find you get all you want on 3S.
Ya no i don't think 1500 would cut it It wouldn't deliver the amps needed My power system in the e speed is giving a pitch speed of 200 mph # s wouldn't do that unless it drew crazy amps No doubt it would be fast on 3s But I want to go FASTER then im already getting I want more hahaha
actually,the v1 didn't have the cooling holes in the front,the v2 did,also v2 had reinforced wing sections,as for 1 servo for both ailerons,look at most all of the 500 pylon racers,the only use a single servo in the wings.a rudder is not needed as this in=s a hand launch only plane,turn and bank.hardest part is launching,too much power and it will torque hard left.mine was insanely fast with a mega 16/15/2.this is about the same price as a rifle here in the states,think th has them for 90
V1 had 2 cooling holes - one either side of the nose, similar to this one. V2 had 4 more cooling "slits" in the nose. I used to launch at half power due to others concerns about "excess torque". I now launch at full power with 400W on board and have never experienced this torque effect. KRProton launches his mega powered Rifles at full power.
I fly the Greatplanes Rifle, and this is definitely it. Looks like a V1 based on the lack of additional cooling holes. Rudder control adds nothing to this plane. Clearly stewjw has never flown a pylon racer.
[QUOTE=junglegym]This looks to be the Rifle airframe . Epoxy not fiberglass not sure this description is accurate ?
I run V1 with a 3000kv inrunner ,60 amp speedie, Turnigy 1800 Mah 3s lipo 4.1x 4.1 prop . Rifle is crank and yank, rudder not necessary.CF wing bracing mod video on www.link
I tend to fly fast and slow, but I hear what people are saying about the rudder only needed for slow turns. Those vent holes on the side also look a weak point. I'm venting my frustration a bit, its been quite a while since HK have posted a plane I've wanted to buy. I won't be getting this one, too many negatives despite the good looks. Also a single servo to control both ailerons is not good for a fast plane.
If this is the Rifle or better epoxy composite ?
We can pay around $220 for a Rifle locally so big saving(Half price shipped from HK to AU).
My experience with this airframe is that even if you try to fly it slow it's still quick by most standards
My Rifle is definitely polyester resin, so HK Admin is shooting straight (puns all intended). STEWJW: single aileron servo is plenty - my only concern is reliability, but it's less of a worry these days. I use a very low torque ultra-micro servo and have no probs. The V2 Rifle has even more vent holes - strength is only a concern in a crash, and pylon racers aren't designed to bounce. I'm not following you about the negatives - this plane is truly awesome - you don't know real speed until you've flown it (or something like it).
with the high c nanotech's on here why cant big power be used?? im sure the 1600mah 90c will be ample for close to 1000w and that in a 30" plane is serious fun :D i had the ty1 sonic doing 150 with a 2700kv in it and that was epic. so the 3800 and 4s thats going into this should be even better *)
the only thing i have trouble fitting in is the esc....
Savannah Flyer, weight without electrics i.e completely bare fuselage; should be less than 250g so I don't know how you came up with 400g. Please measure it if available - don't just guess as it is not helpful. Cheers. www.link
My pistol epoxy arrived today, took a little over two weeks to arrive to the UK. Very well packaged and no damage. The glossy gelcoat finish is excellent on all components. The hardware included looks of high quality and the spinner is well balanced. Unlike the Great Planes Rifle, my wing is not foam filled but it does have a hardwood spar running almost the entire length of the wing mounted just behind the servo tray. The wing seems like it has much less flex than the GP model. On the downside, all of the hinges are very tight and almost impossible to move, I will wrap some 240 grit sandpaper around a razor saw and work at them until they move freely. Another gripe is that the horizontal stab is supposed to mount with two screws and there are two screw holes drilled through the stab itself but no mounting holes in the top of the vertical stab. I will have to drill them myself, not a big problem but it may be difficult to get the horizontal stab aligned correctly. Also some of the factory glue joins look a little questionable.
Overall very pleased with the purchase, £70 shipped from HK against £125 best price for the rifle in the UK. Bargain.
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This dont flight, very bad ailerons, very dangerous. If you want a good plane buy original RIFLE from greatplanes. I got a rifle after try pistol. it is another thing flying a lot
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Sorry but I just can't recommend this plane. The quality of the molding is very hit and miss. I did get some hit but I also got significant miss. For $100 hobbyking have made us expect a lot of plane but this just isn't it. My aelorons were all off centre, it requires a very low profile servo and a high kv motor - both of which HK don't stock anyway. If you make do with what HK have, its hard to balance and requires much fiddling to make everything work. The plane won't take even a minor hit so unless you are really game buy somethong else...
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Sehr schlechte Qualität , Querruder muss ich rausschneiden und umbauen ! Motorbefestigung total schief eingeklebt ! Mein angelieferte Flugzeug wiegt schon ohne Batterien , Motor , ESC , Empfänger und Servos 280 g !! Für diese 94 US $ habe ich viel mehr erwartet. Eine Schande für HOBY KING.
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bad, bad, bad, bad! stay away at all costs!. molding was good but that's it. poor paint, ailerons need to be reshaped, all holes are off center, balsa "hardwood" spar was crushed, attachment point on the wing was off center. i tried to to fix everything but just scraped it.