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  Quote johnwohl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 10:06pm
Originally posted by WTWUK

Originally posted by Mustang Sally

Can you get a wooden DIY toolbox for $28 at your LHS?


And that is my point exactly - if it is the lowest overall cost and the quality is there, who cares what money is aportioned to what - postage or item. Makes no odds to me.

What does interest me though is that in the Int and Aus warehouses, the Turnigy 9X with module and rx weighs in at 1289g.
However, in the US warehouse it tops the scales at 1728g.

Thoughts please? Is gravity different in the USA?



I'm well aware, as you've stated in other posts, that you have no problem with artificially lowered prices made up for by profit on shipping and handling charges. Personally, that makes my brain hurt. I guess I think that shipping hand handling charges should cover the actual cost of shipping and packaging, not shipping, packaging, and a few bucks extra because we wanted to list a lower price and WE HAD TO MAKE IT UP SOMEWHERE!!

that's my opinion, and none of that is even the point I was trying to make.

my point was that I'm not willing to buy an $8 item for $30 total, but I would be much more likely to purchase it for $15 total, and many more people i'm sure would agree, so let's make that happen.

and yes, gravity is different in the US because mcdonalds and personal gravitational fields.
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  Quote johnwohl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 10:28pm
Here is an example of what I'm trying to get at.

Say you are in the market for a bag of fish heads. Let's also say that you are in the market for a bag of my particular fish heads, specifically to imply exclusivity of product.

I could sell you a bag of my fish heads for $5 plus $10 shipping and still make a tidy profit, but since I want to put a bullet on the value of my product I think I'll sell the fish heads for $3, plus $12 shipping and handling, plus $5 extra because WTWUK doesn't care.

It still repesents the absolute best value you are going to find in genuine "Johnwohl's Discarded Fish Heads" because I've got the market cornered.

Let's add another $2 because I need a soda and WTWUK doesn't care as long as they are the best fish heads discarded by your's truly. Which they are. I promise.

So now you've got a $22 bag of $3 fish heads, which is totally worth it, I swear.

You can't get a $22 bag of my fish heads at your LHS now can you? No? Good.

Now say you find out that instead of shipping you the worlds most specific fish heads from halfway around the globe, I could get them to you for $3 (fish heads), plus $7 (actual s&h plus WTWUK doesn't give a crap tax), for a total of $10 for a $3 bag of my fish heads.

At that point, what is the best value for $3 discarded fish heads? $10 or $20?

I'm just saying that personally, I'd like to pay $10 for my $3 bag of fish heads if at all possible, and I'm sure other people would too.

Of course they are my fish heads, so I could have them for free, but I digress.
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  Quote johnwohl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by speedy72vega

Go read the thread titled "Hobby King behind the scenes" in the News and Alerts section. AH describes how HK intends to have every item in every warehouse eventually. It is in the works but can't be done overnight.


it's awesome that it's in the works. I'm totally jazzed about that. Maybe though, there could be some kind of process whereby someone could take a look and say "now that item there, that's a low cost item that is going to require double it's price in shipping charges to get over the pond, piecemeal, sure nuf" and start sending those items to the local warehouses sooner rather than later.

more items sold = more profit (assuming they weren't counting on the shipping charge for the profit) and more items in the hand of happy hobby people who may not have otherwise purchased said items.


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  Quote WTWUK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 10:52pm
"specifically to imply exclusivity of product." and "because I've got the market cornered" has totally moved the goalposts.

And drop the attitude that i 'dont care' .....

If you are the only one that has them for sale, I will pay whatever you are asking, in whatever way you ask, if I want or need them. If I need them, I will pay $100 shipping and product for free!

However, if they are not an exclusive product, and your competitor has them and prices them at $1 and $98 shipping, he gets the sale.

I save $1, your competitor gets his money, you get nothing.

Now, you catch on to this - and do your heads at $96 plus $1 shipping (or be naughty and do the heads at $1 and $96 shipping) - either way, you get the sale. I get them for £97 and save another $1 you get your money, your competitor gets nothing. Me happy, you happy.
It is all about overall cost. And of course, in reality I would really like to get your fish heads and your competitors fish heads for $10 all in ... Durrrrrrr!!!!!

As for the toolbox - once in the USA it will weigh in at 1400g rather than the 999g it is in Hing Kong ... so it will now set you back $40 .... heh heh!!!

Edited by WTWUK - 11/Jun/2012 at 11:00pm
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  Quote Mustang Sally Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 11:21pm
so how many fish heads fit in the toolbox?
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  Quote johnwohl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 11:47pm
Originally posted by WTWUK

"specifically to imply exclusivity of product." and "because I've got the market cornered" has totally moved the goalposts.

And drop the attitude that i 'dont care' .....

If you are the only one that has them for sale, I will pay whatever you are asking, in whatever way you ask, if I want or need them. If I need them, I will pay $100 shipping and product for free!

However, if they are not an exclusive product, and your competitor has them and prices them at $1 and $98 shipping, he gets the sale.

I save $1, your competitor gets his money, you get nothing.

Now, you catch on to this - and do your heads at $96 plus $1 shipping (or be naughty and do the heads at $1 and $96 shipping) - either way, you get the sale. I get them for £97 and save another $1 you get your money, your competitor gets nothing. Me happy, you happy.
It is all about overall cost. And of course, in reality I would really like to get your fish heads and your competitors fish heads for $10 all in ... Durrrrrrr!!!!!

As for the toolbox - once in the USA it will weigh in at 1400g rather than the 999g it is in Hing Kong ... so it will now set you back $40 .... heh heh!!!


I was just screwing around. Sarcasm is difficult on the internet.

Maybe if you had some rare disease that could only be kept at bay by my discarded fish heads, they might be worth $97, but we are only talking about desired fish heads.

At some point you have to look objectively at a $3 bag of of fish heads and say to yourself "self, can I really justify spending $20 for $3 worth of fish heads? I mean, they're just fish heads." Let's say that you are a sane person and decide that $20 is just too much for maaaaybe $3 worth of fish heads. I know, there are some people who really gotta have those fish heads, at any price, but lets assume we are normal people.

What if those same fish heads were available at $10, in half the time. Those fish heads that you passed up at $20 just became a lot more attractive at $10.

So at $20, sure you have a few discarded fish head afficianados who are willing to pay that much of a premium for those heads, but a probably a larger number who will decide to go somewhere else or forego fish heads altogether if for some reason I was the only supplier of fish heads.

If you can sell the fish heads for the same price, with a lower shipping cost, making the total cost $10, my guess is that a lot of the people who wanted fish heads but not bad enough to warrant emotional fish head fever overspending, will go ahead and purchase some heads, tell their friends about the wonderful fish head experience, and all of the fish head gourmets will get their fish heads as well, at a reduced price.

of course fish head hipsters might not buy the heads at a reduced price. too mainstream.

I understand what you are getting at, but i'm saying that a $3 bag of fish heads is still a $3 bag of fish heads at the end of the day and $20 might be too much, even though it's mostly shipping. You can't hold shipping in your hand. You can hold fish heads in your hand, but I don't recommend it.

Get those fish heads into the local warehouses, and we're in business.
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  Quote johnwohl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/Jun/2012 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by Mustang Sally

so how many fish heads fit in the toolbox?


To tell the truth, the toolbox looks kind of small. Good for rc bits but probably not so much for fish heads of the size and quality that we are talking about.

You might be able to squash and slam one or two into a drawer, but all of the juices are going to be running down the back of your toolbox, and that's porous wood.

Don't get me started on what happens when you want to get the fish heads OUT of the drawer...

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  Quote WTWUK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/Jun/2012 at 12:23am
I would go and buy the trawler to source my own fish and keep the heads. Heh heh!

In all seriousness, if we are looking at the same toolbox, it aint worth 30 greenbacks, but, if its the only one that will do the job, the seller calls the shots.
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  Quote Sooty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/Jun/2012 at 8:58am
Here in New Zealand I can make my own wooden tool box, walk down to the beach with it and catch enough fish to fill it with fish heads + fish to eat, and carry it home.
Free tool box
No Freight or shipping.
Free fish heads plus bonus fish fillets.
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  Quote hairykarts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/Jun/2012 at 9:23am
The Kiwi way , get out and make it yourself.
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