Turnigy AA LSD 2200mah Low Self Discharge (ready to use)
Low self discharge AA NiMH battery. Great for transmitters, fuel pumps, glow starters or other low discharge electronics that you want to use over several months or years without having to recharge.
Low-Self-Discharge NiMH batteries are a new technology that prevent the battery from slowly losing it's charge over time. In fact these LSD batteries can stay charged for over a year without losing more than 30% of their charge. Normal NiMH batteries would lose nearly 100% of their charge over 12 months.
Category: AA batteries
We guarantee our cells are true to their capacity! Sadly battery marketing is an evil game, with overstated capacity being the industry norm. Generally speaking, battery factories will suggest vendors to overstate the capacity by at least 30%, marking 1800mAh cells with 2300mAh labels or more! While this might work for toy stores, such marketing tactics wouldnt survive 1 week in our store with customer feedbacks and reviews, and thats why we guarantee our TURNIGY 2200mAh NiMH cells to be at least 2200mAh!
The TGY9X can take a voltage close to 9v without problem (assume you're flying within a park). As these batteries are slightly wider than regular AA size batteries, you'll have to force fit the battery cover. A better replacement is to use the HobbyKing 1500mAH LiFe 3S 9.9v Transmitter pack cell. It fits nicely with and gives a higher voltage. I'm using it w/o issues on my TGY9X!
TGY9x uses 5V internally, but needs more than 7V input to make it stable (not a lowdrop stabilizer used). Anyway, any voltage above 5.0V is just turned to heat.
LSD AA 2200 will fit the same as any other AA, the door is tight especially if You leave wires in betweeen.. However, it is highly recommended to solder a pack instead of using ***r spring holder.
Lipos are great to power eflight, but they do not last for long time, are far from relliable, or even safe - if you plan using the tx for many
I charge mine with a Accucell-6 and a standard JR transmitter/receiver pack charger and a standard 4 cell AA/AAA NiMH charger you just stick in the wall socket, just don't go to high a currant on your multi charger or they will over heat.
I charge mine with a regular charger and they are just fine, i also have the in cordless phones around the house for over a yaer and they work great. **** As i have said, its a regular AA rechargeable battery. the LSD part just means its holds its charge for longer because of an improved seperator netween the electrodes
Charging NiMh cells must be done a lot more careful than NiCd cells. You shouldn't charge over 1C (1 time the capacity per hour. Over charging will shorten the life of the cells. To be safe it is recommended to stick with the 1C rule.
The short answer is "up to 3000Mah". -Now for the long answer: The actual performance you can get out of a regular alkaline battery depends on the discharge rate, cut off voltage and temperature. For high discharge rates, for example 1A, the actual capacity will be around 1000Mah. Temperatures outside the operating range of the battery will also decrease the capacity. Also note that alkaline batteries are rate at 1.5 Volts and rechargeable batteries are rated at 1.2 (or 1.25) volts, while NiMH b
while NiMH batteries have a relatively flat discharge curve, Alkaline batteries have a sloping discharge curve, so their voltage drops faster as they discharge. NiMH batteries tolerate high discharge rates much better, If you discharge these at 1A, you should get around 1800Mah. (for comparison some LiPo batteries can be discharged to 20-90 times their capacity in Mah, that means tens up to hundreds of amps!). To sum it up, for very low discharge applications, like wall clocks and TV remotes, Alkaline batteries will give you the best performance. For almost everything else (flashlights, RC remotes, digital cameras) LSD NiMH should give you much better performance, and you can re-use them as a bonus. For very High discharge rate applications, like, well.. an RC plane LiPo will give you the best performance. Hope that helped.
*Ibrahim2012: Excuse me ** where in the description or anywhere else does it state they're rechargeable? 'Capacity' doesn't mean that's what you can put back in them....it's only what they come with. Do you actually own any of these?
In fact, look at the SPECS table: (Quote) "Max Charge Rate(C) 0" << That's ZERO. Appears to indicate they are NOT rechargeable.
All these batteries offer as far as I see, are a (claimed) long shelf life & 'as advertised' mAh. They are also underpowered, only 1.2V (see label imprint) vs a true AA's 1.5 volts. With 4 brand new, you're only getting 4.8 Volts vs true AA's solid 6V starting out.
And don't start about AA being size specs - I KNOW. But some devices that use AA's depend on a NORMAL 1.5V (each) or will fry the circuit if voltage gets too low....& why unknowingly start off already with 20% less!?!
excused! starhopper if you dont agree that these are rechargeable, then you should contact the hobbyking customer support and ask them that if these batteries are rechargeable or not just to confirm. But as of my info these batteries are rechargeable for sure.
Thanks for your suggestion* I think I'll do just that - call them and ask. Just to be sure, since you cannot answer affirmatively....but the fact remains the ad does NOT say, anywhere, that they are rechargeable. ........ Thanks also for your admission you do not KNOW and were only guessing. Curious* what did you hope to gain by doing that? Perhaps credits which you did not deserve? Interesting.
It seems like my last post was a little too technical...
1) As for the rechargeable part Ibrahim2012 is right, I have those (and the AAA version, they are rechargeable).
2) MiMH (Which stand for "Nickel–*metal hydride") is a type of rechargeable battery, all NiMH batteries are rechargeable and have an operating voltage of 1.25 Volts.
3)Starhopper, many times info is missing from the specs table in HobbyKing and instead they put a 0, this is one case of that.
4) 1.2 volts won't fry the circuit, every Alkaline(regular 1.5 volt) battery will get to 1.2 volts during its discharge curve.
hey starhopper ! first i never said that i don't know about these batteries, second the question wasn't yours that you were taking interest, third as you talked about the credits, i didn't asked for credits it is you who talked about credits so people like you always see their own reflection of their inner self in other persons. and now you should behave and mind your own business , i don't think i am gonna tolerate any insult from the guy like you who doesn't have any manners, how to talk to others.
The MAH (Milli Amp Hours)is the capacity of the cell, in the case of these LSD cells 2200mah or 2.2amps. Dry cells such as duracells still have a capacity rating but are not rechargeable, the LSD cells can be charged at normally 10% of capacity, in this case 220mah. You can charge at a higher rate but don't over do it the cells can be damaged from over heating.
as I have written in the first post, the MAH of a DURACELL(alkaline) "up to 3000 MAH"
Its 3000 MAH for low drain devices such as clocks and TV remote controls but drops down to 1000 MAH for high drain devices such as digital cameras and high powered flashlights.-this is because alkaline batteries become inefficient at high loads.(If you want a detailed technical explanation read my first two posts..)
Its like this on all alkaline(Duracell, Energizer) batteries.**** NiMH batteries are more efficient than alkaline batteries at high loads and LiPo batteries are more efficient than NiMH batteries at high loads.
For example, if you discharge a Duracell(3000 mAh) and a NiMH(2200 mAh) batteries at 1 Ampere(The kind of load in a digital camera) the Duracell will give you around 700-1000 mAh and The NiMH will give you around 1800-2000 mAh.
1.0 A too high for single but okay for 2 lots of 4 in two cradles on automatic delta peak charge. I do 0.6 Amps for 4 in a cradle and have no problems with heat build up being very gentle. Good compromise between time taken and care of cells.
The standard for NiMH is 1/10C. I charged my cells at 1/4C (500mA) and at that rate I have 2000mAh cells that I have recharged more than 200 times over a period of 16 years that still deliver more than 1700mAh. The charger I use is a N*e*X*T*c*e*l*l charger. I would consider that effective.
Using Maha Powerex C9000 I always let them charge at 1A and they seem perfectly happy so far. I am not sure about 2A charge, but see no reason for it.
Note that Maha has temperature sensor on each cell and do not let it go above 50 degree (celsius) in any case - but they do not get even close to that limit.
And I let it waste 2 days of initial forming charge properly (16 hours at 220mA..).
these batteries in a turnigy 9x need charging every 5-6 hours of flight time...so i think you can charge them at 200mah in your house when you are not in a hurry...it's not like a lipo you charge on the field...but if you happen to forget charging them and you want something fast there is no problem to charge them even at 1C(2200mah) every now and then...
I tried to order 8 of these and my order was rejected as LiPo's are not permitted by EMS (no LiPo) I questioned Support and they said a limit of not >3000mAh due to HK post limitations. I checked HK post and they make no mention of NiMh limitations? Anyone else had this problem? (I have bought these before with no problems).
Try again I've purchased 36 cells over 2 orders without any problems. Other sellers in Hong Kong have no problems shipping to OZ, probably a storeman who dose not know the difference between Lipo and MiMH.
Thanks Guys but my order (8x 2200 NiMh) is rejected for EMS before it gets to the payment page. It says
Total Li-Po capacity: 17600mAh.
I think their order page is screwed up and rejects all batteries over 3200mAh?
Never had this problem either but have not ordered any recently. Sounds as though a computer filter has been set up to total up the capacity up to a certain limit without any thought of sorting on battery type! In other words, BAD MANAGEMENT of the ordering process. Recommend contact CS urgently regarding this issue. I'm sure they'll fix it once they see the problem. This kind of glitch shouldn't be happening with an informed, aware and competent work team. As suggested above, HK is probab
I agree it is a filtering issue in their database but despite that and my assertions to them, CS tells me that they can't ship over 3000mAh (the actual LiPo limit is 3200). So I can't see to get past CS. I sent them another request but so far no reply (5 days).
have you tried a customer support ticket?
I have ordered by ems and registered mail and no problems.
BTW every time you add a battery to your shopping cart there will be a total capacity displayed lipo and other batterij types together.. looks strange on an order having lipo and 8 of the nimh batteries, but thats the way hobbyking displays it. please let us know what support replies to you.. maybe it helps others.
OK - I have tried all the options I could think of (including reducing the number to 4 batteries) before reporting here. -
I contacted support twice with the same answer. The final answer was this -
Hi George ,
Thanks for contacting the HobbyKing Support Team.
Sorry for late reply. We are sorry that we will ship orders contains batteries more than 3000mah via other shipping companies.
Your kindly understanding will be much appreciated.
Thanks for emailing support.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
HobbyKing Support Team
So the bottom line is NiMh batteries are now restricted by Hobbyking and they will not ship ANY batteries >3000mAh via EMS (No LiPo). I don't understand why but they should show that restriction on the NiMh battery pages.
I've now shipped Registered as I don't think the HK support knows what they are saying.
I ordered 5 of them (11000mAh) recently and received a warning like you. I just change the shipping method to 'EMS Express', (I think), no just standard one. This is due security reasons from shipping company. (A more mAh... the bigger the explosion :-) if they are defective! X-D )
Accucel-6 will adjust automatically voltage to 8 cells, you should chose between 200-300 mA for slow charging, and aprox. no more then 0,6 to 0,8 A for fast charging (use temp. probe for fast charging, no more than 50 C !)
I always choose between 200-300mAh, because if You use higher amp, Your battery will die sooner. Also on some of the chargers if You try deliver more than 300mAh, delta-pick can be found too late and batteries can be overloaded. Of course fast charging (0.6-0.8A) can be used... but I think not all the time. You can make a simple test, try to charge 0,2A and other batteries 0,8A, You will see that first of them will have more electricity inside during discharge (they will power Your devices longe
hi this, from my sight, a very important question. What is the maximum alloud discharging? Is it possible the try this batteries in a F3B maschine with 6 powerservos? Is it save? Eneloop breaks down...
Insufficient voltage unless you make up a battery of these. Better to use proper flight packs. Consider this like an ordinary AA cell to use in cameras, torches, etc. Recommend discharge to no less than 1v.
First, how many cell were you using? Second, were the cells welded together or in a battery holder? Most standard RX rechargeable packs are 4 cell 4.8 volts, most RC systems can handle 6 volts 5 cells. Battery holders rely on a spring to keep a positive contact, those contacts are very small. Cell that are welded together carry a higher currant better. The only other alternative is to use a NanoTech Lipo pack with a UBEC, look them up here on HK. Mite be an alternative.
This type of consumer type AA aren't designed for high currents. I've had good results with a 0.5 amp draw, and ***r results with a 1 amp draw. The voltage really sagged. I assume 6 power servos could draw upwards up 5 amps? Time to look for a different type of nimh (maybe a 2/3A or 2/3AA?)
These NiMH can be charged. Good charge rate is 220mA for 10-14 hours. Best would be to get an intelligent charger or balance charger like "Turnigy Accucel-6 50W 6A Balancer/Charger" PRODUCT ID: ACC6 or NEXcell 50FC/60FC (N*E*X*c*e*l*l*g*l*o*b*a*l (dot) com).
The respondent above is wrong to state "no". These cells are rechargeable. I have put mine through many cycles. Clearly you like his advice but I would suggest that you disregard his opinion in favour of the product specs as advertised.
Best would be to get an intelligent charger or balance charger like "Turnigy Accucel-6 50W 6A Balancer/Charger" PRODUCT ID: ACC6 and "4 x AA Battery Holder (Rx Pack)" PRODUCT ID: 4xAAhold and 4-cell JST-XH connector or NEXcell 50FC/60FC (N*E*X*c*e*l*l*g*l*o*b*a*l (dot) com).
Maha make a good AA charger. Or, look for any charger that has "independant charging circuits." Basically it charges each cell separately. Ensure it has a slow enough charge rate so the cells don't heat up. Maybe 500mah max. I have a Panasonic one that works well.
I've been using the Accuell 6, bought 1,2,4,6 and 8 cell battery holders from the local electronics store and a bag of JST connectors from HK and made them up to fit the charger. The Accucell 6 when set on NiMH will work out how many cells itself and charges to the delta peak voltage, then lets you know when the cells are full
The best charger for AA battery is an specific charger AA/AAA battery. You should seek an intelligent changer with independent channel for each battery. You can find it in ebay, for example (remove spaces) :
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No, it not suitable for Turnigy 9X, I had purchase 8 pcs of this battery, after install, the cover of Radio Turnigy 9x 9ch, can not fully close. I recommend you use this battery PRODUCT ID: T2650.3S.1C .But you have to change the connector to suit for the Radio.
I bought 8 of these cells for my Turnigy 9X and had to shave a bit off the battery holder to fit. I am a bit disappointed as Turnigy9X sound the "battery low warning" very close to 9V which give a sort time of service before recharge. I changed to "ZIPPY Flightmax 2500mAh Transmitter Pack (Futaba/JR)" PRODUCT ID: ZIP25003S3C. It works better for me (many weeks before recharge is necessary).
Yes this is good battery for transmitters in general, and as for battery holder, it is not safe to use with any cells - just take a soldering iron and make the pack. Btw, 9x cover can fully close but with holder in certain position and wires arranged at the side, not under the holder.
I would NOT use this in Turnigy 9X (specially if you love your plane or heli!). The transmitter will work but the power just go aways if you shake the transmitter because the battery holder is too bad!!! That will cause you to lose the control of your model!!! I would recommend you to by a Rimmo lipo for transmitter!
I'm interested in the answer to this question, as well. The cell casing gives no indication of C value. If 1C then you could charge at 2.2 Amp. I have no knowledge of C, so I have been charging 4 in series at 0.3 to 0.6 amps on an auto delta peak charger. When charged on 0.3 all cells remain at room temperature for full cycle. At 0.6, cells can feel a little warm. So, knowing they are SLOW self discharge, I tend to err towards 0.5 if I'm in a hurry and 0.3 when I don't care about time.
The general rule for AA batteries (AAA, C and D size as well) is to charge at about 0.1c. This means that for a 2200mah battery, you would charge at approx 220mA. The battery would take 10 hours to charge.
Unless the battery states a fast charge rate, I would stick to the 0.1c rule.
Generally, the slower you charge a battery, the happier it will be. You could charge at 500-600mA if you were in a hurry but I wouldn't make a habbit of it as you will shorten the overall life of the battery.
At 10pcnt of C is called a trickle charge over 10 to 16 hours. The delta peak charge works on the cells turn around, that means when a cell is full it will start to reduce in voltage, a drop of 0.02 volts is what a peak charger detects and cuts out, the warming of the cells happens at the time the voltage starts to drop. I charge my LSD cells around 0.5 to 0.6 amps on an Accucell 6 charger, at 0.7amps the cells start to warm up at the end of charge.
i have used both the AAA and the AA version for about a year, The AAA are used for Panasonic cordless phones around the house, and the AA is used mainly for flashlights and is holding great, recommended.
I've used these cells for the last 10 months with no adverse effects. I have melted other brands by charging to fast over heating the cells, when charging they only need thjust warm up at the end of the charge, that means they are full.
I have had great luck with these. No complaints whatsoever. I had them in a airplane Rx battery holder and they say in my plane for a year without charging it. I checked the voltage and it was at 4.4 volts after an entire year! Amazing batteries.
ok this is why swiss post, been waiting for hk to get back to me about swiss post issue, but I will for sure order batteries seperate from other Items. been waiting almost 2weeks now since shippment, must be swimming across the Atlantic, only then to cross most of Canada. NICE!!!!!!!
The problem is not Swiss Post. It's Hong Honk Post let the parcel lay down for up to more than one week. After this it can lay down for a few days at Hong Kong Airport. Even the travel from Hong Kong is not Swiss Post. Nobody knows why. If the parcel reaches Switzerland its handled immidiately. There was a short time they've need more time because every parcel was going for scanning to another place. This was a security order. Now it's going much faster. Have a look on the tracking.
It is possible (with the right charger). But be VERY carrefull with short circuits!!! It is also possible to charge the cells through your radio charging plug, but the delta peak detection (of a good charger) can be not accurate and the charge may not be total...
Yes, Abdulahad100, you can charge your cells as you describe. If you are using the programmable multi-charger, ensure your settings are as per your charger manual settings. Add up your cells and at 1v per cell, that equals 8v min voltage on discharge in your NiMH programme. Your delta peak will look after the rest. With that number of cells, I would be comfortable at 1 amp charge. So convenient BUT check your manual first.
Get a multi cell holder. Either a couple of twos or one or two fours. HK sell these holders. You then put say 4 cells in the holder to make a 4 cell battery pack which can be charged using your NiMH programme with your standard settings on delta peak auto charge. Works a treat. I use crocodile clips to connect my packs to the charger and use a slow setting of around 0.5 amps.
I don't believe that it is possible to over-discharge this type of cell. Once it is totally flat, just charge it up! However, experts say that you should not make a practice of draining them down to zero. In effect, the item you are powering simply fails to start. That is the point you should re-charge.
You can discharge these batteries to absolute zero and it will not affect them in any way(no loss of lifespan or capacity). The suffer only if you charge or discharge them with too high current, but you need to do this many times to kill them totaly(not like lipos which die after one improper use). Even if you keep them discharged to zero for all night (like shortcircuted to totaly discharge them) they will be ok. Some chargers will tell you it is dead battery because of 0V, so you need to prech
This is not good for this batteries. They lose capacity. To avoid this, i completely discharge (0.1 volt) and only then I charge it. In my Accucel-6 i can set up to 5 cycles of discharge / charge for training the batteries.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't a low self discharge (LSD) NiMh cell resistant to the memory effect? I've been using mine in various transmitters, and have not noticed a degrade in capacity- they have never been cycled or fully discharged.
yes, this is a Low Self Discharge, that's mean: This kind of battery reduces self-discharge and, therefore, lengthens shelf life compared to normal NiMH batteries. The batteries retain 70 to 85pcnt of their capacity after one year when stored at 20 °C (68 °F), while standard NiMH batteries may lose half their charge in this time period.
Yes, they can be recharged, in fact they are typical Ni-MH batteries but with a special chemistry that allows them to self discharge very slowly, in this aspect they seem like a LiPo battery.
You can charge them with any Ni-MH charger you have available, no special considerations to have into acount.
you can use any charger that charges individual, pairs or 4-at a time nimh AA battery chargers. i personally use the duracell CEF21 charger. it puts out 400ma current to each cell individually until it peaks. it has a timeout, so you can't re-peak the cell unless you take it out for a while( i have not timed it). i have 8 cells, so i have to charge in 2 shifts.
Not thinking of installing these batteries in your backordered Turnigy 9X V2 transmitter, are you? I tried that, only to have made the unfortunate discovery that they're too large to permit the TX battery cover to close over them. You probably had something else in mind for them anyway, I guess.
Tressie, if you want to use it on your 9x you can, just cut the plastic wall separating your batteries on parallel. Thats what I did to a pals 9x to use eneloops (which I guess is the same size as these)
Can't order these. Buddy code only allows 3. Who wants 3 batteries? Tried to add them at regular price, they show in cart as buddy code price so you can't get more than 3. HK, please remove the buddy codes for this item if you aren't going to let us order at least 8 or 16 at this price.
Just add to your cart how many you want without buddy code. After that try to add how many you want with buddy code but don't erase previously added. They will automatically replaced. After this procedure you will have in your card just one pcs with buddy code. Simply change number of batteries to what you want and hit Enter. Complicated situation but this works for me for 8 cells.
yes. you don't have to do anything different than you already do with it provided you have the included 150ma peak charger wall charger that came with the transmitter. the only difference is that it will take longer to charge, but you get more of a benefit with these cells in that they don't lose their charge like the stock 1500mAh ones did.
Yes, but the stock charger is rated at 150mah. That means it will take 14.6 hours (2200mah / 150mah) to fully charge depleated cells. It is not a peak detection charger, so you will have to remember to disconnect it when the batteries begin to get warm.
this stack is optimal, especially for glo starter and transmisssores, and she holds the load when given correctly, and from time to time and load cycled to 0.5 0.5 to 1.0 as the radio batteries, trickle charge is best because it will complete.
all AA-sized nimh cells aren't to be charged above 500mA unless you have active cooling ( a fan) to cool them while charging, the entire time they are charging. the type of fan you must use is a high-pressure (something like a cpu cooler fan that has a 5000 rpm speed that is as wide as the cells are long. you will also need a shroud to put over them with a gap at the bottom with the fan at the top to force cooling air around them so they don't overheat. the maximum at any rate is 2.5A.
ideally you want to charge your nimh at 1/10 of their capacity so in this case at 200 or 250mah. It will take 10 hours and it is the best charge for them but I have charged them at 500mah no problem. it would be recommended that if you charge them at a higher rate that once in a while you charge them at 1/10 of their capacity to increase their life span.
Why might HK be continuing to offer this product under the Turnigy 9X page's 'related items', when the jolly things don't actually fit inside the transmitter? Wouldn't a link to the 'Rhino 2620mAh 3S 11.1v Low-Discharge Transmitter Lipoly Pack', the rechargeable that most will ultimately adopt, be a more helpful suggestion?
The Turnigy AA LSD is good. I agree. But still retain 70pcnt of energy after a year. This is like the first version of other brands LSD. I hope to see the development, 75pcnt of energy after 3 years and 1500 times of recharge. Anyway, very good.
If you have a lipo charger, save yourself some money and get a) a cradle to charge the batteries in, b) charge them in the RX cradle and make up a plug to charge off your lipo charger
Pretty easy to do, this is what I have done = b)
LSD (Low Self Discharge) are a special type of NiMH batteries which offer a reduced self-discharge and store about 80pcnt of their capacity over one year. They can get charged with any kind of NiMH-compatible charger.
Yes. Many types of charger will do. Make up a cradle to charge up four at a time. Or do them separately. Many choices. Easiest is to have a charger that will run a delta peak routine. See previous discussions where all of this has been already dealt with. Go to link at bottom of page.
Bought 4 for a test. I use Sanyo Eneloop a lot, so I know what to expect. Batteries came with about 1400 mAh charge. After forming cycle, discharge capacity was as follows: 1: 2209 mAh 2: 2237 mAh 3: 2239 mAh 4: 2286 mAh. Will see in time, if it is really LSD ) and holds the charge for long time.
Impressive capacity! Tested with Lacrosse BC-900 at 500mAh charge rate, 250mAh discharge rate. No cycling needed since they are LSD. Results: 2420, 2390, 2390, 2380, 2370, 2350, 2340, 2170 Average: 2351 That's over 200 better than the non-LSD ones that have a 100 higher capacity rating. The 2170 one is a little worrisome, though, since it's a full 170 lower than the second lowest one, the gap between highest and lowest of all 7 others being only 80. Only time will tell if they are truly LSD. We'll just have to wait and see.
I have 16 of these now. Very nice battery. Recharge averages 2220mAh. So far they hold a charge well in low drain items.
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LET ME SAY SOMETHING. I THINK IS TRUE ALL ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THIS BATTERIES BUT THERE ARE A SINGLE THING THAT IS REALLY BAD. THEY ARE ALMOST 0.3 MILIMETERS MORE THICK THAN REAL AA BATTERIES SO 8 OF THEM DOES NOT FIT INSIDE OF MANY FLAT BATTERY COMPARTMENTS. PLEASE CORRECT THAT GUYS!