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KDS EBAR is a high performance, easy to use 3-axis flybarless system that is suitable for all 250 size to 700 size nitro or electric powered RC helicopters.
It allows users to fine tune the handling characterisitics of the helicopter without a mechanical flybar system. It offers higher flight performance and efficiency, longer flight times and more tuning options for the helicopter.
The KDS EBAR supports traditional 90 degree, 120 degree and 140 degree swashplates. It also features built-in pirouette optimization function. When helicopter pirouettes, it will maintain a level swash through out the rotation.
This system offers 3 different flight modes. Precise, Medium and Vivid. This allows the user to fine tune the flight characteristics for different flight styles from more stable to extreme response.
It is super simple to set each parameter of KDS EBAR with the included programming module. There is no need to connect this system to your computer or go through complicated stick programming from your transmitter.
Recently switched from Futaba to Spektrum(AR8000 reciever). Everything works fine, except the headlock. Does anyone know the right connector setting from the EBAR to the AR8000 for the PITCH, GEAR or AUX2.
I am a bit confused, decided to to go the helicopter way possible maybe HK450TT PRO V2 PRODUCT ID: 155000030 as well as servos,motor,esc,etc it also needs a 3-Axis Flybarless System like this one, OK question does this hook up onto the receiver or ESC, I really as yet dont have a clue, seems flybarless is alot more expensive to set up than flybar system but is a better helicopter if i was to go for flybar system then maybe HK450GT, once again open to comments.. thanks all
Hey there, not meaning to sound too noobie but i was looking at the Flymentor 3D helicopter stabilization System to make my flying easier? but then i saw a flybarless helicopter requires a flybarless control system like this one, is this true? are the two items diferent or can i just use one and get the same result? or would i have to use them both in sync? would that work?
Don't hesitate to ask,we all start from the same position.
They are different,Flymentor is stabilisation unit for fb heli, and wont work (well) on fbl heli. You also wont be able to incorporate FMentor with FBL unit as they both do swash mix control. You'll need to use Copilot2 for stabilisation with a FBL unit. It works great as I've set up my helis to practise 3d, haven't had a crash since. Well worth the investment.If you need more info,contact me in the forum. Be too happy to assist. Cheers.
Yeswecan - can you share your setup for FLB stabilization?
do you use the 3axes flybarless system (like this one, or ZYX, or the G31) with the Copilot2 - or only the Copilot2?
how do you connect them?
and what about using the spartan AP2000i?
You'll need a FBL controller with CP 2 . Connection in order of Receiver-CP 2-FBL-servos. Can't use Sbus or sat receiver. Any FBL will work. Look up CP 2 on RC group,there are detailed instructions. Another option is look up M S I brain or ikon.cheers
oh **** - ok -
so I found a CoPilot 2CH on this site for $50 *yes you need to be logged in* and then a Copilot 2 on a different site - that one seems to have a altitude sensor but is 200 bucks instead o
any differences between the two - except the fact that Copilot2 with the altitude sensor can engage automatically at a give altitude?
thanks!
you'll need a four ch one, ccpm heli need 3 channel.Have you got a fbl yet ,if not look at ikon, works out simpler for wiring and sbus ,sat compatible.
I checked the IKON site - I think it is the same device as - Robird G31 3-Axis Precision Flybarless System - but $200 instead of $50 ... am I missing something?
It has stabilisation inbuilt. If you loose orientation or control,flick a switch and it will level out for you.Similar system cost 2-3x .Say if you buy a Cp 2 = 140 and a decent FBL controller robird =87 .The interconnections involved can get messy on a smaller heli like 450. Ikon is all in one,sat compatible if you have dsm2/x tx or cbus for Fut..a. Much neater . Its also called Brain ,both made by msi (higher end heli brand).Thats if you choose to go FBL with stabilisation. I use ikon as fbl controller and stabilisation for bail out for practising 3d on a next d rave heli. Saved $$$ from repairs and less bruising on my ego.
Need help!! I would like to control the EDF speed using the gyros to balance pitch and roll. My project is a home made 3 motors heli like a triangle. Here are the info: Motor: EDF 90mm 1750kv (3x) ESC: Turnigy A65 (3x) Batteries: 6s lipo pack Rx: Futaba 6S skysport Please help to select the right gyros for the listed system. Should I need 3 or just 1? Thank you!
You dont need this but a multicopter control unit, much cheaper, and designed to control multiple motors. Good luck with your project, which by the way is an edf tricopter.
Wait so this wont work if the temp of the day is under 20c or is that just its internal operating temp because here in Christchuch New Zealand we get lots of 10c and under days in the winter so if i had this does that mean i couldnt go flying on those days even if i wanted to?
I've had mine for over a year,used them both summer and winter.Not sure why they qoute operating temps 20-45c ? There's a bloke on RC group named NZ Dan,who was one of the first to test and review these. I think you should be right to go .Got mine hooked up to a co-pilot 2 for bail out. Haven't had a crash since. Have fun.
eBar has no phasing setting build in. Its mainly for the (ie: KDS) 3D helis with just 2 Blades FBL.
Use another FBL unit like the BeastX that offers Phasing by software (Beast X Microsettings Software, a free download off its site).
HTH, Frank
Thanks dhruvafreak,glad to assist.Also if you can,get a co-pilot 2 system.Got mine coupled up with ebar,great as bail out. Haven't had a crash since.Have fun as always.
hey has anyone set this up on a 450 using hxt900 servos on the swash? just wondering if this gyro is compatible with analog servos or which servos would be best to use with this system if not? thx
i can say that you use the best digital servo for the tail because ebar is very good and requires best servo ..for the cyclics use servo that can manage higher loads but if no hardcore 3d then you can use hxt 900
No, it doesn't. If you want stabilisation you better find system like Skookum 720. It has a stabilisation option, but it's cost is higher as well (around 3x www.link )
kds fly mentor is just for stabilisation but this ebar is used for making heli flybarless , increases the control over 3d maneuvers and long flight time and this Ebar is very good
I bought this gyroscope. In explanation in a Hobby King's site, it is written 140 degrees that a swashplate helicopter can also be operated. "The Hobbyking EBAR supports traditional 90 degree, 120 degree and 140 degree swashplates. It also features built-in pirouette optimization function. When helicopter pirouettes, it will maintain a level swash through out the rotation." It is written as mentioned above. However, I am considered that 140 description about a swashplate cannot be found in an operation manual. (However, since my English power of understanding is weak, having written on somewhere may not notice me) Concretely, please teach me how to enable it to correspond to swashplate 140 degrees. Or please let me know on what page of the operation manual it appears. Moreover, is there any necessity for upgrade? This is more important than the affair of a servo motor. Now, I am troubled. If you please, please teach me the method.
hi adam. Thank you for the reply. However, the meaning of "****link " is not understood. Of course, I tried at least 120 degrees. In that case, if only an elevator is operated too, the swashplate will have fluctuated. It seems that mixing is well impossible. My helicopter is the product made from JR" Air skipper ". Or is it a thing with 140 special degrees made from JR?
Why use it with flybar??? It is only for flybarless heads and it's programmed for that. When you are searching for stabilization system look for Helicommand or something like that.
Me again... sorry overread that you want to use it only as gyro. I could not find an option in the manual that you can program only one axis. Microbeast can this, but I think this one here is not designed for this purpose.
Whats the difference, as CLONE means the same as original, not a copy or cheaper look a like.
I'm pretty sure these babies come of the very same production lines.
You might end up with a KDS marked version, as the brand could be removed here not to violate copy rights. had that experience before with a "unmarked" OSD product, that came with original markings....
KDS unit is cheaper * $129 USD yet the Flymentor on HK is the cheapest Ive seen anywhere, by a fair amount as well. HK would be better off selling the KDS branded Ebar if it made them cheaper. Seems like they are selling ok at the moment. See how they go once word gets out that the actual KDS branded unit is cheaper.
U can buy this direct from KDS...I hve several of these as with KDS models... it is very easy to setup and actually functions pretty well.. I have bought almost ever FBL electronic available on the market and you wont get the features of say ALign or Mikado by any means.. but for first time FBL this is idiot proof and perform pretty ok.. hard 3d.. well its capable but the tail hold is not as good as you would hope. Value for money is pretty ok on this.
Impressed, Fitted one to a brand new 700E t-rex clone, Maiden first flight was as scary as hell, But flew prefect on the default setting, Flies as well or equal to my align 3GX but a lot easier to set up, Much better that My Tarot zxy, And Tbar 600.
Piro flips, tic toc, rainbow, inverted backward/forward flight/loops rolls.
All fine on the medium setting, Will try vivid setting when I get some good weather.
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really impressed with the performance. Took a while to dial the tail in, but once I got it was rock solid. Without wind will hover hands free
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Sehr einfach zu programmieren mit dem Programm Module. Wenn man mal das Manual begriffen hat, ist die Programmierung viel einfacher als ein Align 3G oder 3GX. Ich habe das System in meinem T-Rex 500 als Austausch für das 3GX eingesetzt. Ich fliege im Medium flight mode. Das Heck hält absolut stabil, auch bei stärkerem Wind. Absolut zu empfehlen.
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