The AVRO CF105 Arrow had all the right ingredients to become one of the most outstanding all weather interceptors of the Cold War. The Arrow was designed by AVRO Canada, to counter the threat of fast Soviet Nuclear bombers attacking the West via Canadian Airspace, however, based on an over-confidence at the time in surface-to-air missiles, this amazing aircraft was cancelled and despite impressive test results, never saw active service.
This quality and quite amazing looking 70mm ARF scale jet has a pre-painted fuselage and pre-covered foam core-balsa sheeted wing. The CF105 has a generous size delta wing combined with an ultra sleek profile, giving both speed and excellent slow fly ability. A 70mm fan unit is included, as is all hardware, including fixed under-carriage, or if you wish, the model is retract ready to accept a set of electric retract units (not included).
Requires: 4 Channel RX/TX with Elevon Mixing 2200mAh~2650mAh 4s Lipoly Battery 60A~80A ESC 3 x High Torque, Metal Gear Mini Servo's 28mm Inrunner or Outrunner (3.17mm shaft) Brushless EDF Motor
* ATTENTION ALL MODELERS*
Some say it can't be flown, some say this model is an urban legend and doesn't really exist, and some say it comes to life at night and bullies the other planes in your hanger!
In a first for HobbyKing we are throwing down the gauntlet with this model. The first person to purchase this model from HobbyKing and record a successful flight video including a take off, 3 minute flight and a landing then post the video in the discussion area below this product listing will receive a store credit for the value of this model, so let the building begin!
*********** UPDATE ********** Congratulations to the winner of the Avro Arrow challenge! Check out the video in the video section below!
The instructions say that you require 2 servos with a third optional 3D servo. when I ordered this kit, I bought three servos under the assumption that the third was for the rudder. Once unpacked I see that the Rudder is just molded detail and can not be made to move.
There is nothing in the manual about what to do with the third servo, or how to incorporate rudder control. Is this kit only suitable for "bank and Yank" control? I think that there should be (clear) directions on optional equipment.
Any help in clarifying what is 3D if not rudder control. Thanks
Third servo is for nose gear if used! This uses elevons, don't really require a rudder. I'm sure you could jury rig a functioning rudder if you're so inclined. Hope this answers your questions. Cheers.
I have the instruction manual for this plane.
Kondor Model products removed them from their site when they were no longer able to be supplied.
I got this info personally straight from the horse's mouth, as you might say.
This is why I went looking on the Web, and found this place.
I am exceptionally satisfied with the service I was given!
I usually do not "DISS" a person or a business just to make my ego stronger, as some folks on here have!
If you don't like the service, swallow your losses and go someplace else!
Hobby King bent over backwards for me, and I wouldn't be surprised if they lost money on my sale as the mailed it from Hong Kong.
Suffice it to say, I almost ****ped when I saw the cost of the postage on the box!
So I am satisfied and will shop here again!
Should you wish a copy of the instructions, e-mail me at: 1***thumb*bigfoot****
I will send them to you.
Oh yes, if you write and bad mouth me, a monkey will **** on your next birthday cake!
Can anyone who has built and flown this model successfully please give us the exact measurement of the C of G that you use to make it fly nice. I have not seen any numbers IE: 9.5 CM from start of wings???? Please help Thank you
John, sorry to say but The Avro Arrow is not available in Canada. You can Thank the Diefenbaker government for that. :-O
As for it being complete and flyable. I recommend sourcing parts to get the best of each component. If you are going to build and fly an Arrow, you want it to be the best aircraft on the field. I picked up a Cyclone power 3700 EDF motor, and a Change Sun 12 blade fan as well as the deluxe lighting kit. I'm looking for some retracts that have the dual inline wheels that the Arrow used. so far I can only find tandem (side by side) wheels.
My Arrow is currently sitting in customs, awaiting clearance. Once it gets here I'll be working on a full Build log.
Just received my kit and having a problem figuring out how to attached the wings. First. I don't have any pre-drilled holes in the fuselage.Also,the leading hole in each wing is much larger than the pegs in the KIT and larger than the rear hole.I read in the discussions that the front hole is to be drilled 21mms from the top of the fuselage. This I can do but how do you find the location of the rear hole to drill. I need some advice, Thanks
OK ...so I am a little confused...What is the best (most powerful) combination of ducted fan and engine..so that when I make the order to get the ability to fly...I get the best system possible for this beautiful jet...so what should I get for my jet....(aside from the RC unit)...I want to thank you in advance for all your help
I want to thank you all for your responses ESPECIALLY Kalana Mihiranga....who suggested a motor....LMAO....After much research and a lot of stupid answers I finally settled on a Typhoon Brushless EDF 2W-20-75A Drive Set for 4S LiPo its the whole package everything needed to fly but I also added Heavy Duty electric retracts....I will update anyone who cares shortly as I have April 13 2013 pegged as first flight....assuming the Mayans are wrong :o)
mayans? lol. it was the delusional people of european decent with their idiotic and completely false interpretations of the mayans that you have to be worried about. on another note, april 13 has come and gone. i see david also has a problem with dates? lol
Just unpacked plane today. Read File instructions but no mention of the little bits of timber so carefully cut and drilled. What do they do? Anyone know?
I might avoid wheels as extra weight and just bungee it.
Thanks vettster. I have heard of HET but not Wemo. Where can I get these motors(I live in Canada) and which model would you reccomend? I saw one chap was going to install 72mm alloy EDF for more power. Batteries at 4s /40c should do the trick.
Go with the HET 2w-20 motor with a HET fan. 4s is fine of this motor. But make sure you buy them in 2 x 2s because you will need to put a battery on either side of the thurst tube for CG. There's and an extensive build thread of this plane on RCG
Wemotech just builds fan/units. There the best for low cost units. Het is a very close second
Believe me..I would very much like to tell you what HobbyKing motor to buy. Its just that I dont know for sure, what is comparable. If I did know. I would be buying the motor from the king*)
Long Live the King!!
I installed the E-flite 15 EDF and motor, built custom rail mounts for it, and glassed tabs onto the exaust ducting. Makes for easy removal/servicing of the fan unit. I also reversed the nose gear, so it retracts the proper way, and installed E-Flite 10-15 electric retracts, again, reversing the mains to fold inward as per the real deal.
Thank you very much mwavesdave. Would you please post pics of your mount set-up in the files section. I have found an extremely powerful 68 mm EDF unit and am considering putting that in with a little room to spare. Makes more room for the double(x2) 2200 2S I am putting in. (one on each side of the ducting, for C of G)
If you use the E-flite 10-15 sized electric retracts, they will fit nicely, in the position that's set up for the model. I reversed them, to retract in a scale manner. That takes a bit of work, and they won't sit fully flush in the wing, but looks great, and better ground handling
the arrow? good plane designed around a faulty war doctrine...the interceptor concept was based solely on shooting down waves of mindless soviet bombers en route to the usa (why waste precious nukes on canada when the real target is the usa?) the americans finally learned about this fatal design fault when mig15's simply out turned the phantoms. all new fighters (no more ****py interceptors) r highly maneuverable and all have a gun.
Cause if we didn't, then the US would be shooting the Russians down over our cities! Also why we were forced to take the BOMARC. Either we accepted them, and shot down the Russians over the Arctic, or we'd be watching the US launching Nuke missles, shooting down Nuke bombers, over our cities. Not a nice thought. Personally, and given that my dad worked on the project, so have a lot of knowledge, it was an amazing achievment, way ahead of the rest of the aviation world. Fly-by-wire, unheard
lol dave. history proved that never happened. like i said the INTERCEPTOR concept was flawed. they were flying dragsters. modern fighters still go mach 2 AND have guns AND r highly maneuverable. like i said a good design around a faulty doctrine. a 50cent plastic spoon will always be better to eat soup with than a $1000 knife!
My father and i just got ours and we are very excited and satisfied. We have some background with models but we not sure about the wiring and internals. We want to know what would be the ideal setup so we know the plane will have enough power.We also would like to know were to position everything in the plane and if there is any hobby shops in the toronto area that would stock parts to avoid ordering online.Thanks
Marty , check me out on you tube , under Hobby king MB-339 ,by Ross and read the commence by me under it .There are way to set up this jet .Frankly i believe you find things better on line, but you got know what you buying .Watch me on you tube and stay in touch , i,m be able to help you .
Marty,I suggest you join a club in your area, guys with experience in EDF jet will help you.Ordering online is much less expensive but you have to plan ahead.You can see my mistakes with this jet on youtube look up Rocketboy1030 channel and Arrow not enough power video. Dan S and Buffy in this site have the right idea for setup on the stock blade. 3500KV 450 class Heli motor on the pusher fan seems to be enough.
Okay here it is * Fuse 720g hatchs and thrust tube incl, no EDF or hardware rudder 87g Lwing 112g Rwing 112g All body parts on my scale 1031g This is measured from my replacement Arrow that arrived last week in Canada post.Enjoy , it does fly well once you work out a few details.
I have just taken delivery of my two Avro Arrows on November 22,2011. Waited approx.3 months for mine to arrive. Packed very well, no damage and the finish is SUPERB! Now all I have to do is check out all the discussions and videos and building tips I can find. Anybody out there want to toss some tips my way I'd be very grateful.
I spoke too soon. I have just torn apart all the boxes and packing and found no directions on how to build this model. Is there anyone out there that still has the building plans for the ARROW?
Please contact me at larryrussell1*bell**** if you can help me out!
Hi Larry, I ended up running the back (but end) of a screwdriver around the inside of the duct tube. This brused the fiberglass so it would flex and stretch, I'll be putting a layer of resin around the fiberglass once the other duct fan unit comes in the mail. I'm not happy wih the power output of the original D.F.
Hi CARVER99, I will try your fix for the openings. I found a discussion and video on You Tube and the fellow said that he and other owners have not been able to make it fly on the stock fan, even with 6S.
He discovered part of the ducting collapses under pressure so that could be part of the problem. he said he fixed the ducting problem and installed a HET 6904 fan unit(alloy EDF 72mm duct fan for more power)., a HET 2W20 motor on 4 S(2650mAh). That is what the setup on the video is. Look for SKYGUARD008 on You Tube.
I spoke too soon. I have just torn apart all the boxes and packing and found NO directions on how to build this model. Is there anyone out there that still has the building plans for the ARROW?Please contact me at larryrussell1*bell**** if you can help me out!
My 2226 3000KV motor didn't do it on 4S or 6S , video at http://www.youtube.com/user/Rocketboy1030#p/a/u/1/96 GHpcNuBUw Our guys suggested I not use the 3 blade impeller that comes with this model. I will replace the power unit. Has anyone figured out the C of G for sure ? The instuctions say 9in from the LE , "roughly centre of fan hatch " , but that is 5 in away from C of G mark , so......help. 3.17 lbs without battery .
I had a feeling that the motor would not be enough. I used the CoG that Mark suggested, the one in the manual is way off. I had to add 1.75oz at the tail to get a perfect balance (zippy 4s 2650). My RTF weight (batt included) is 3.75 lbs
So what was the C of G Mark suggested? I seemed to glide okay even after I cut engine power and headed for the tall grass. Also what Alieron throws would you suggest, I got a little wild on one bungee attempt
To ROYl , yes still blue print is available , I got one with full documetation ,of frist flight , way back when i used to work in Mcdonnel douglass of Canada .but finding it in my messy garage is another Q,lol .
you know? Our parliament should contain a senate of engineers or better yet, Canadian citizens like a jury. That way politicians would have insight to logical decisions based on social, economical and environmental impacts from a hard working citizens' point of view. I'm not saying that insight is lacking, I'm just saying that the opinion of over 30,000 employees would have some influence over a few old farts sitting in an office.
I was thinking a more powerful motor would be required, but as I select the bigger units the shaft size goes up. At least 600w is going to be needed to haul fiberglass and retracts etc. I am going to try Turnigy 2226-3000 70mm EDF Outrunner and adapt the shaft to 4mm
Well Scott, we have been flying the Typhoon 2215 in the F16 at 1200 watts and still holding. I have flown the Avro with the 2215 with no problem, unfortunately one screw holding the motor let go, so the friction created while rubbing against the fan housing was too much and motor went. replaced it with an HET 2w20 running 800watts and it flies great.
the one you picked may worked, I do fine the Kv slightly low.
dan how did you get 1200 watts for the 2215? I looked at the 40 amp rating with 14volts should be around 560 watts. did you get an actual reading at 1200? If so, I will buy 2 and try them in my foamies.
actual reading with Data logger for the 2215 was 1320 watts and 90.97 amps. This is max on take off and high speed pass, the average draw was 63 Amps.
the 2w20 motor is from High End Technology.
That is really smoking fast for a Heli motor. I don't think the ESC I ordered for the Arrow will take that. How many Cell LiPo are you running? I was going to run 4 S 2650-3300.... So what ESC would you suggest?( I will run a Ubec.. one lost jet and everything changes, LOL )
keep in mind that was on the F-16 using 4S at 40C.
For the Avro with the 2215, Turnigy Trust 70A, and Zippy 4S 2650, 20C it was 60A/850 watts. you could run more mAh or more C, but them 2650 fit perfectly and only had to add 1.75oz of weight underneath at the end of the tail. with bigger batteries, you will need more weight.
I have a short video that I could show you running that setup before the motor came loose and lost the motor and esc (that would teach me to not secure the motor correctly).
If you guys are here in Canada , there is guy by name of John Duekosky , he is a police guy with ,and memeber of Totonto RC club .He got all the info you guys need on this plane , since he truly love it .I think the test pilot was one his relative.
Nice detail in the model, intake ducts need to inspected to make sure everything lines up properly, I'm changing the duct fan to the alloy edf 72mm duct fan, for more power.
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This plane is amazing. All parts are well painted including all decals. All mayor parts to mount an 70mm EDF are pre installed. The finish of the surface is very good. This is the best value for your money.
But I belive if you want real fun with this EDF jet you need 6s power because of 1,9 kg flying weight. ;-)
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The manual says that the c.g location is 9 inches from the wing l/e or the centre of the fan hatch .This appears to be too far aft as most deltas have the c.g at 1/3 of the chord . Not having flown it yet i would appreciate any experience from readers .
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I just got my Arrow kit and it is beautiful, however there seem to be no instructions at all on how to assemble. Am I missing something or am I left to figure it all out for myself. IE: are the wings attached permanently or are they meant to be removable, Can anyone help me with this?
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It is a lead sled! It is to small to be made out of fiberglass... make it out of foam and it will fly well or make a bigger version....